06 October 2010
[ BayUndaground.com ] : What's good Agerman. Where does your rap name come from?
[ Agerman ] : My nickname used to be "The Teenager" so when I turned 18 I was like "I ain't gonna be a teenager for too much longer", so I named myself Agerman. I just took the Ager of of teen and put man - Agerman...
[ BayUndaground.com ] : Back in the days how did you hook up with Keak and Bart? Were you living next to each other?
[ Agerman ] : Naw, we weren't livin' next to each other. I hooked up with Keak & Bart. I hooked up with Keak at our school Bret Hart Junior High, that's where I met Keak. Bart, I grew up with him, it was around my uncle's neighborhood, so I've been knowin' Bart ever since we was lil kids...
[ BayUndaground.com ] : You recorded a couple of albums together. Which one's your favorite one and why?
[ Agerman ] : Man "Stackin Chips"! It's my favorite album of that whole 3xKrazy career. "Stackin Chips" was the one, because we was focused, we was hungry, you know what I'm sayin' - we was fresh out. It wasn't we not been out, famous been makin' money from this. We was still hungry, so it was like man the creativity was big & we was all on one accord. We was all thinkin' the same, niggaz wasn't thinkin' I'm bigger than him, he bigger than me you know what I'm sayin'? We was just all hungry man & it made us become a unit, we was just lyrically unified & just man that album was BIG, mayne. That album sold like 400,000, almost gold, probably gold now.
[ BayUndaground.com ] : You also released a duo collabo with Keak as Dual Committee. How did it happen? Where was Bart?
[ Agerman ] : At that time we had just broke up as a group. Keak went solo & then with Dual Committee just me & Keak wantin' to keep it goin'. There was a lot of discord with the group with the business, with the people we was hooked up with. But me & Keak we was so tight, we was like "Let's keep this thang goin'", so thats why we dropped the Dual Committee.
[ BayUndaground.com ] : Ever since "Immortalized" you were not so active on 3x projects. You eventually left only a couple of verses on "Real Talk 2000". What was the cause?
[ Agerman ] : Well, at that time I was gettin' ready to go gospel you know what I'm sayin', it was like wasn't really tryin' to hang around the studio & do a lot of tracks, because I was changin' my life, because of the things that conspired with the whole group thang. So I was changin' my life at the time. I started doin' gospel songs and try to stay away from the negativity goin' on. I was like "I got a future here & I ain't gonna let 1 situation take me down". I only did a couple of verses & then I started doin' solo stuff.
[ BayUndaground.com ] : After "Success The Best Revenge" you left the street life and focused on God. Where did the change come from?
[ Agerman ] : The change came from God, but it was because when you are dealin' with personal things in your life, I mean only God can really help you through those personal things unless if he ain't watchin' over you, I know he watches over all people, but if he didn't take control we'll be doomed, so God was like "I got a different plan for you", you know, "I got somethin' greater for you in the future", so I heard his call. I started, you know, doin' my thang, goin' to church, servin' God, gettin' to know my creator, who he really is & how he is in control of everything. That's why I can do my thang today, because I done been through so much stuff. God is the one that helped me get here where I'm at right now. For real!
[ BayUndaground.com ] : How did your fans react to the change?
[ Agerman ] : They loved it. I look at it like this, I get new fans in the process & you know, for an artist to be able to talk about different subjects & still be relevant & people still like him it's like - Wow! But at the same time a lot of people in the streets hated on it right? A lot of people... I mean some loved it, but at the same time, you know how cats be like "aww Age done went gospel", "what's this about", you know "aww he ain't flowin' though", but man I'm tellin' you that gospel rap helped a lot of people. I done sold so many hundreds of thousands gospel rap cds. So forget what they talkin' about, but I know for artists to be able to be like "Ok you went from gangsta which was real, then you go to God & u still flowin', you still makin' hits, that's HOT". I done seen a lot of artists, they go to God & they stop, like Chris Tucker. He went to God & he don't even do movies no more really. I'm like "hold on man, you ain't supposed to stop right there! It's finding that balance... That's big...
[ BayUndaground.com ] : Could you please list down all solos you released then?
[ Agerman ] : "Success The Best Revenge," "From Krazy 2 Christ", "Kingdom Business", "The Truth", "Tried By The Fire", "Remember Me", "New Day", "Time To Shine" then "Mr. Curtis". Several albums.
[ BayUndaground.com ] : Did you have an audience or was it limited? I'm asking, because Christian rap is not that popular in the Bay, is it?
[ Agerman ] : See the thing is, it ain't really popular like regular rap, but see what I did I didn't just try to put it out in stores. I went to the churches they was buying my stuff, I was sellin' it out on the streets, I hustled. I mean I made more money I think grindin' cds with my gospel stuff than all that other money put together. After 10 years that gospel stuff sold hundreds of thousands.
[ Smokey ] : You are one of the innovators of that genre, because there's nobody really pursuin' that market. And I think you are one of the 1st cats to come along & try to tap into that.
[ Agerman ] : Right.
[ BayUndaground.com ] : Did you collab with other gospel rap artists? Who else in northern Cali addresses spiritual issues in his verses?
[ Agerman ] : Yeah, I collaborated with all of the gospel artists out of the Bay. I done taught a lot of guys rapper stuff, I gave them ideas. Basically I started the real move of the gospel rap movement in the Bay straight up. I mean it was other rappers like Pastor Larry Austin, he was doin' gospel rap but when I came on the scene with the gospel rap I already had fans, it spread like gospel rap, it spread everywhere. Everybody knew about it, I'm tellin' you. Sold a lot of records & cds.
[ BayUndaground.com ] : In Fall 2009 you kind of returned with "Mr. Curtis" album. How is it different from previous ones?
[ Agerman ] : The difference was in the production, because I was dealin' with different producers but as far as the album is concerned people love it. I mean some of the church people they try to condemn it, but it's a beautiful album to me.
[ Smokey ] : I mean, personally I think Ager found a good balance on this album. You still could touch on certain issues, but still keep it balanced to reach all of his fans.
[ Agerman ] : Yeah, that's right.
[ BayUndaground.com ] : What made you come up with this balanced medley of gospel / street delivery?
[ Agerman ] : Well, because when I started goin' to church I started hearing a lot of church music & how they was doin' their thang. And I'm like God wanna reach people everywhere, so it's a crowd, it's a genre of people that I want to reach, I don't want to come out sounding like a choir. I got all of this street knowledge, so hey I'ma use it you know what I'm sayin'? I started doin' gospel rap soundin' like street, people went crazy over that stuff & the good thing about gospel rap it's a positive message. Lil Wayne probably can't come to the coliseum, but I can do one of my positive raps & fill it up. So it's real positive. It's a blessing! Gospel rap is off the hook.
[ BayUndaground.com ] : You are more than 15 years in this independent game. Tell us what are the most crucial differences between now and "Stackin Chips" days.
[ Agerman ] : Man, it's people burnin' cds & bootlegging. It's more people bootlegging now than ever & that's messin' up record sales. The download sites on the limewire - that's the difference. Back then there wasn't all of that, no limewire. Niggaz was buyin' cds & tapes on the real, like in 96-97 niggaz was buyin' tapes. So cds & tapes was manufactured, niggaz wasn't sellin' shit on-line back then. Niggaz was gettin' cds & tapes straight up. That's the difference though. Now it's like you've got the digital download sites, you've got the mp3 players & iPods. That shit fuckin' niggaz' money off man, on the real. You've got niggaz like Eminem used to sell 10 million. 50 Cent did 11 million the 1st one.
[ Smokey ] : This last one he didn't even go gold. Em just did 2 million so far on "The Recovery", but in today's day and age that's real good.
[ Agerman ] : 2 million? Eminem used to sell 10 million. That nigga used to go diamond & now niggaz is only sellin' 2 million. That's real good these dayz & that's a shame. Man that shit's crazy. I still see some positives, because people still support, so using the Internet is good, I mean it's really better, because you can get in touch with people quicker than if you had to send the cd out. You can just email it or whatever, PayPal & all that stuff, but when I take a look at it niggaz ain't been knowin' no Internet game as long as they been knowin' cd game, tape game. Niggaz ain't been knowin' that, niggaz barely knew the DVD game (laughs). For real though & for them to just come up with this Internet thang it's like you've got people that will really jack your albums, it's crazy! I've got to get on this CPU in order for everybody in the world to know me & then you can still steal from me? You can put it on limewire, take it. It ain't cool, but it's cool if you control your own thang. You get behind your own thang, you learn it & how to do it & blow it up, what sites to go to, where to post this, all that stuff, yeah it'll go. So it is a positive, you just gotta know that game, it's a whole another game now. It's a whole another game, I'm tellin' you, but we gon' win it. I'ma win it, because I'm studying everyday.
[ BayUndaground.com ] : You represent "older" generation. What do you feel about hyphy / party-like sub-genres? Is it the way to go?
[ Agerman ] : Hell naw. Hyphy ain't the way to go. 'Cause I think the way to go is not a movement. The way to go is bein' original & bein' who you are & bein' an artist & sellin' your music. All that were old, you know, where I'm from. My turf, my movement all that stuff is division. That stuff ain't helpin' rap music! That's why I don't belong to no movements, I don't care about what people are doing & what click & all this stuff. Only thing I look at is my music is gonna sound good. Before I release it to the streets I'm in the studio, I'm creating it, it's gonna sound beautiful & I'm sellin' this masterpiece to you & these cats ain't thinkin' like that & that's why rap music right now got to be brought back straight up.
[ BayUndaground.com ] : Do you keep in touch with Keak or Bart? By the way, what's up with B.A. these days?
[ Agerman ] : I don't know what's goin' on with neither one of them right now. I ain't talked to him (B.A.) in a while, so I don't know what's goin' on with him, but you know I'm just stayin' focused on my career. I mean, yeah I see him & heard from him, but I really ain't in touch with him like that no more.
[ BayUndaground.com ] : This is something what people ask you on a daily basis: is there a chance for another 3x or at least 2xKrazy album?
[ Agerman ] : Man, naw I don't think so. I done made mad up my mind that I'm just gonna focus on my solo stuff, because why go backwards? That was an experience, it was cool, that was for then. Right now Agerman is about to evolve into somethin' so huge, because I ain't stopped, I ain't quit you know what I'm sayin'? I'm still in the game, I'm still me & I was me before I put out "Stackin Chips". So who said that was gonna blow like that, so who's to say what's not gonna happen right now? Big thangs about to happen!
[ BayUndaground.com ] : What are your next moves, Ager? What do you have in works?
[ Agerman ] : My new album "Game Changer" bout to come out late November / early December. Another one called "The Threat" - that's a BIG album, I'm gonna release that one around New Year's 2011, but I don't have no real date. But I'm gonna release those 2 albums a few months apart & flood the market like oooh! I'm about to start on this movie "Street Life" story about how the power of the streets got a hold on everybody. That's about it for right now.
[ BayUndaground.com ] : What's your affiliation with Yay Area Ent.? Any plans to network with Smokey?
[ Agerman ] : We are makin' hits together mayne. We are makin' hits over here man! We tryin' to make hits, makin' money, tryin' to be rich, famous & all that. Hit the BET Awards & get our award, go back to the car, ride out - we got thangs to do. For real, that's what we tryin' to do. I'm ready!
*Note* Since the interview Agerman & Smokey hit the studio & are currently working on a solo album to be released next year.
[ BayUndaground.com ] : Any last words?
[ Agerman ] : This ya boy Agerman, shout out to BayUndaground.com, you feel me! I'm the future of rap music! I ain't about to take over the whole game, but I'm tellin' you mayne, I'm a game changer, you feel me! We doin' this mayne!
BayUndaground.com would like to thank Smokey of Yay Area Entertainment for arranging this interview. Here's his official website.
For more info visit Agerman at his MySpace page.